Friday, January 12, 2007

HiveRadical -- here you go

Stupid things Mormon Leaders have Said

While it does not give the source which I strongly suspect is Brigham Young, it does confirm that it has been said. I am aware that the church does not teach it now, but it almost certainly did and never issued a retraction. No longer teaching it is not the same thing.


At Sun Jan 14, 12:51:00 AM 2007 , Blogger Bishop Rick said...

"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantage. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less.... There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits."

Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, pages 66-67

He was actually referencing statements made by both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young

"According to Brigham Young, it was Joseph Smith who classified these people as The Seed of Cain. Young said that "Joseph Smith had declared that the Negroes were not neutral in heaven, for all the spirits took sides, but 'the posterity of Cain are black because he (Cain) committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity'" (The Improvement Era, Joseph Fielding Smith, p.105).

At Sun Jan 14, 02:47:00 AM 2007 , Blogger HiveRadical said...


Not so much.

These things apply to before the curse was lifted.

The priesthood is now available, the curse is not inherently on those who are black. Simply because the mark does not instantly vanish does not mean that curse is not lifted, neither does it mean that there's inherently less valience on the parts of those who have darker skin

At Mon Jan 15, 06:27:00 PM 2007 , Blogger Bishop Rick said...


Are you serious? Do you really think there was a curse to begin with?

At Wed Jan 17, 10:20:00 AM 2007 , Blogger The Sinister Porpoise said...

Unfortunately HiveRadical is backed into the corner by his leaders.

While I could continue this discussion into a log argument as is done on many other blogs that have a connection to Mormonism, I have no real desire to do so.

The fact is Mormon leaders have said it and there's really no defense for it other than the standard "they were speaking as men."

Mormons really need an equivalent of the Pope speaking Ex Cathedra to help clear these things up rather than listening to whatever the current prophet says as doctrine.

At Thu Jan 18, 11:29:00 PM 2007 , Blogger Just one of many said...

Trying to navigate a hive is dangerous at best!


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